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Yoshikuni Mahsu · Oct 20, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

zamial · Oct 20, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

That looks nice but That hard drive ..........*choke*<--- what the computer is gonna do.

and that ram<---why?

I would look for a cheap effective case and get some OCZ SLI cert ram, look at the 4gb kit (2x2gb) and a 150GB velociraptor instead of a flashy case. you can easily upgrade a case later.

NVIDIA has a nice SLI tag that makes picking parts out that work nice together a snap.

dont feel no pain · Oct 20, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Hmm, its alright but you could have a lot more for 1K.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=antec%20300

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814261035

Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136149
HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152096

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131299

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...orsair%2075 0

Thats $900 and much faster than your original build. The E8400 will out perform the Q8200 in most tests and all gaming tests. The Antec three hundred is a great cut down version of the 900. I'd know because I've owned bot. The Palit OC'd HD4870 will out perform the GTX260. You now have a dvd burner lol. I have both the orignal HD you posted and the samsung F1 and the samsung F1 is way faster. The PQ5 Pro is a fantastic board and great overclocker. And I've also put the ram up to a 1000mhz at the same price as your original. The Corsair TX750 will give you the option of a second HD4870 in the future if you wish to do crossfire.

And with your spare $100 you can mabye get:

This Excellent Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003

Or/And

This great sound card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829132007

Quaker · Oct 20, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

It all looks fine to me.

dont feel no pain · Oct 20, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Drop the Q8200 for a E8400, it'll perform much much faster in gaming.

Lord Sojar · Oct 21, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

That PSU isn't going to be enough to feed what you have to maximum potential. 600watt + would be far better.

Allow me...

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188027
Fully solid state and phase based power system. Amazing stuff eVGA has. I have a fully solid state motherboard, and it makes for a far more stable system. Sexiest motherboard on the planet minus custom.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037
Destroys the Q6600 and the Q8200 in gaming. If you want quad core, go AMD or Intel Nehalem when it releases.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139005
Gorgeous single 12v+ rail at 52A.

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231144
I am a purest when it comes to RAM, and won't touch OCZ's DDR2 offerings for the most part. GSkill makes some nice nice modules. These are very popular, built on an AMAZING Micron fab, and are extremely well priced. Buy 2 kits!

CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133154
Thermaltake's Armor case is one of the best cases ever made. It is also a FULL TOWER case, which if you are building a desktop and not using a full tower these days... for shame. Lots of room to do wiring, and let your components breathe. In addition, the quality is unsurpassed. The Armor+ is even better, but considering the budget, stick with the original.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130398
The GTX260 revB (216 SP version in other words) can outperform the HD4870 and at 299, is a steal. The extra bucks are worth the performance boost of 10-20%.

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16822148316\
Ignore the reviews, Seagate 7200.11 drives are insane. They are close to the performance of the Velicoraptor drive from WD, but with half the noise and heat. Amazing drive for an amazing price.

The rest is up to you. Mind you, this is a bit more, but SO worth the extra. There are times when upping your budget by 100-200 dollars is so worth it.

Age · Oct 22, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

That is the cpu I have.

I will give you the same advice as the person above you.

What I suggest to the OP is buy one at your local computer store not online and tell them what you are going to use it for.I prefer to buy local as the store is close buy and there is no shipping and handling and they know my system.It is not only that you are supporting your local economy not some chaep online computer shopping centre.You might as well order a Dell or HP online atleast they have local customer support in your area.

You wouldn't buy car online would you.

FrEaK40 · Oct 22, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

No, do not listen to above poster (sorry)

buying online is 25-50% cheaper if not more, also, newegg has great customer support for broken parts as do companies for GFX/CPU/Mobo for RMA.

Buy online.

EDIT: Rahja, the 260 does NOT out perform the 4870.

(SOURCES)
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im.../GTX260-66.jpg
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...=115849&page=5

in fact it barely loses to the 280

and the X2 destroys it http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/im...t_02_large.jpg

Lord Sojar · Oct 22, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Ahem...

The GTX260 revB most CERTAINLY does beat the HD4870 512MB part in almost every test. In addition to that, revB runs cooler and has a more streamlined memory hierarchy. There is no debate here... and your sources are using antiquated drivers anyways (in addition to your sources completely ignoring that I said revB, not revA)

zamial · Oct 22, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrEaK40

in fact it barely loses to the 280

and the X2 destroys it

Quoting to point out flawed logic.

Comparing a double video card to a single is not fair or smart. the 4800 x2 series is a double vid card. A more fair comparison would be to pair it up against 2 200 gtx series cards. I am not trying to argue about which card is better or the best bang for the money, just that the comparison is flawed in a bad way.

Quaker · Oct 22, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

Quoting to point out flawed logic.

Comparing a double video card to a single is not fair or smart. the 4800 x2 series is a double vid card. A more fair comparison would be to pair it up against 2 200 gtx series cards. I am not trying to argue about which card is better or the best bang for the money, just that the comparison is flawed in a bad way.

Actually, your argument is the one that is flawed. It doesn't really matter what is on the card as far as gpu cores is concerned. The only concerns are the performance (and to some extent, power requirements) at a given price point.
Or, to put it another way, if you have $300 to spend on a card, you want the best performance you can get at that price. It doesn't matter a hill of beans what is actually on the card. The card can be thought of as a black box - with no concern for what's inside. One card could just as easily have 4 or 8 smaller cores working in SLI/crossover. One could have sub-space transceivers - it doesn't matter.

Lord Sojar · Oct 22, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

An ATi 4870X2 is 550 USD. It is the most expensive modern card, and as a result, the best performer. The thing is, considering the GTX280 nears the performance of the 4870X2 in many tests with the newest driver sets, it is assumed that any dual GPU design we release will beat it.

ATi is focused on the low to midrange enthusiast market. They also happen to have the current bleeding edge card.

We are focused on the budget, integrated, high end enthusiast, and performance segments.

Each company is doing well in their segment.

Age · Oct 22, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrEaK40

No, do not listen to above poster (sorry)

buying online is 25-50% cheaper if not more, also, newegg has great customer support for broken parts as do companies for GFX/CPU/Mobo for RMA.

Buy online.

Yeah create more unemployement in the US mine came in at 1K that was 5 months ago the only difference is the video card and maybe mobo.

Lord Sojar · Oct 22, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Because Newegg isn't a totally internal US run company that employs warehouse workers, couriers, programmers, researchers, support reps, and corporate executives. What?!?!

Age · Oct 22, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I mean in your hometomwn say Portland or Denver.

zamial · Oct 23, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Actually, your argument is the one that is flawed. It doesn't really matter what is on the card as far as gpu cores is concerned. The only concerns are the performance (and to some extent, power requirements) at a given price point.
Or, to put it another way, if you have $300 to spend on a card, you want the best performance you can get at that price. It doesn't matter a hill of beans what is actually on the card. The card can be thought of as a black box - with no concern for what's inside. One card could just as easily have 4 or 8 smaller cores working in SLI/crossover. One could have sub-space transceivers - it doesn't matter.

I beg to differ sir. I will mainly be talking about SLI because That is product I know best of the 2. This is why I stated what I did. If you have a dual GPU card that second core is counted in the total # of cards supported by SLI. I believe the max possible is 4(quad sli) so if you have 2 of the dual cored gpu's then you are at max. When it is better to run 3 of the single cards than 2 dual because the 3rd card is used solely for game physics, not to mention you are cramming 2 cards worth of data through 1 slot. While the effect may be minimal, it does create/have a bottle neck.

I am certainly not arguing the performance per dollar. That is a different thing all together. I was referring to total over all performance and the comparison performance wise of 1 gpu cards vs. dual gpu cards. In a true vs. match up a better comparison would be to compare 2 single gpu cards to 1 dual gpu card. as the dual does count as a sli'ed pair. Basically if the system counts it this way then we should as well. agree? It is also unfair to match a single gpu card against a dual because initially the dual should win 1 slot vs. 1 slot but after seeing the benefit of 2 slot vs. 2 slot and 3 slot vs. 2 slot the performance of the single gpu card setup is truly seen and a more fair comparison can be made. This of course comparing cards that are close to begin with.

Quaker · Oct 23, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

I was referring to total over all performance and the comparison performance wise of 1 gpu cards vs. dual gpu cards.

The problem is that the comparison only works if the GPUs are of equivalent performance. Are you saying that it would be unfair to compare a 3870x2 (yes I mean 3870, not 4870) card to a 280GTX simply because the 3870x2 has 2 cores?
Or would you say it's unfair to compare 2 8600GTs in SLI to 1 280GTX simply because the SLI rig has 2 cores?

The only way in which you could make a fair comparison, by what you say, would be to compare a 4870 to a 4870x2 because they are equivalent GPUs. Obviously a 280 GPU and a 4870 GPU are NOT equivalent.

Even if price isn't important, would you say it's unfair to compare a 12-cyl Farrari to an 8-cyl Lamborgini, simply because the ferrari has two more cylinders, or would the total speed/handling/performance matter more?

Relnor · Oct 23, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Quaker, first of all, make sure you are more interested in giving accurate information than winning an arguement. If you are only worried about winning, you'll get anxious and make stupid comments...Like the following...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

would you say it's unfair to compare a 12-cyl Farrari to an 8-cyl Lamborgini, simply because the ferrari has two more cylinders

I lol'd.

Second of all,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Obviously a 280 GPU and a 4870 GPU are NOT equivalent.

Rahja and zamial both said equivalent GPU's, not equal. The 4870 is equivalent to the 280GTX. The 4870x2 would be equivalent to a pair of 280GTX's. Equivalent, not equal.

To sum it up, you need to learn more about cars, computers, and English.

Quaker · Oct 23, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relnor

Rahja and zamial both said equivalent GPU's, not equal. The 4870 is equivalent to the 280GTX. The 4870x2 would be equivalent to a pair of 280GTX's. Equivalent, not equal.

I've forgotten more about English and cars than you'll ever know, sonny.

But anyway, on topic - Your English project for today is :
Define "equivalent" - also define in what manner "equivalent" is not a variation on the root word "equal".

The 4870 GPU and 280 GPU are neither equal nor "equivalent - which is obvious from the fact that it takes 2 x 4870 GPUs to roughly be "equivalent" to 1 x 280 GPU.
The HD4870x2 and GTX280 video "cards", however, are equivalent because they are in the same price/performance bracket.

Anyway, I'm beginning to sense the presences of Trolls, so nough said on this topic.

Age · Oct 23, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Even if price isn't important, would you say it's unfair to compare a 12-cyl Farrari to an 8-cyl Lamborgini, simply because the ferrari has two more cylinders, or would the total speed/handling/performance matter more?

That is not a fair comparison as an 8 cylinder can take on a 12 cylinder car all depends on design btw I know my cars and trucks.More so than computers but I am learning that as well.